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I <3 Microsoft
« on: April 14, 2008, 11:44:01 AM »
Ok ok, maybe I don't. Not really, anyway.

But, as a web designer, a web programmer and a web site owner/maintainer, I tend to be interested in the statuses of the big "players" in the web-technology field.

As we all know, Microsoft released Internet Explorer 7 not too long ago, and in a drastic change of corporate policy, are already working on IE 8. This is a good thing. Better implementation of standards, fixing bugs, blah blah, the usual stuff. Everyone who designed their websites to the letter of the law will work fine.

However, while this all sounds good from a "idealist" point of view, we have to ground ourselves in reality, and remember that not all websites are crafted by God Himself, and old websites are just plain broken. How will they fare in the new future?

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/03/17.html (Warning: Long article, but very interesting and worthwhile)

The basic summary is a contrast between two vastly incompatible viewpoints: Standards compliance and backwards compatibility.

Let's pretend for a moment that Microsoft decided to shed off its un-compliant past, and make things work properly for all sites everywhere. Well, God-crafted sites will benefit, but that's about it. Everyone else's site will explode in a mess of <div> tags and other nastiness. This is bad, because noone's site will work.

Or, they could maintain their mistakes, and be forgiving to those sites which weren't made properly, as was the paradigm of the 90s. This means emulating old bugs (such as positioning bugs), so that the "work arounds" to those bugs will be good. This also means that a new site which doesn't take these bugs into account will explode in a mess of <div> tags and other nastiness. This is also bad, because proper sites won't work.

Overall, I'd hate to be in Microsoft's shoes. There is no easy answer, and the result of this battle could determine the future of the Internet.

(I don't mean to sound clichéd, but it's true.)

Discuss.

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Re: I <3 Microsoft
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2008, 07:12:49 PM »
I use mozilla.  Win!
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Re: I <3 Microsoft
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2008, 11:52:59 PM »
You know, other browsers have exactly the same problem. They just aren't burdened by "omg microsoft sukx becuz they have bugz!!!1one".

I use Firefox, but not because I think it's inherently superior to Internet Explorer, but because I support Open Source software. Oh, and all my Extensions, which I would die without.

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Re: I <3 Microsoft
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2008, 03:34:49 AM »
Ha. Yes. Extensions. Wonderful, wonderful extensions.

Other things I love about Microsoft: Office 2007... ....
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Re: I <3 Microsoft
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2008, 12:19:46 PM »
Ok, that? That I hate. Why the **** did they **** Office up like that? ****.

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Re: I <3 Microsoft
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2008, 02:24:22 PM »
Doesn't change that mozilla doesn't have that problem.  They just need to do whatever IE does.  No stress on them :P
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Re: I <3 Microsoft
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2008, 01:29:06 AM »
I <3 the new Office, if only for the ease of super/subscripts. It seems like it's a more complicated program though, and probably needs to be streamlined in some sort of way.

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Re: I <3 Microsoft
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2008, 01:42:20 AM »
I think they tried to streamline it already, yielding this. I think it was a bad idea to radically change everything around, at least not without giving a choice to go back to the old interface...

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Re: I <3 Microsoft
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2008, 09:22:42 AM »
Amusingly, the local Staples is selling computers with Vista installed with a free downgrade to XP.

I'm not quite sure what I'm gonna do when I buy my own computer. The one I'm using now I like and I don't mind XP. Macs look interesting but they're expensive and if it experiences any problems I wouldn't know what to do, since I haven't accumulated years of experience with them. :/ Then again I get the impression that they don't experience as many problems- that's just my impression, though. (Also their commercials are really annoying. >>)
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Re: I <3 Microsoft
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2008, 10:46:24 PM »
Amusingly, the local Staples is selling computers with Vista installed with a free downgrade to XP.

I'm not quite sure what I'm gonna do when I buy my own computer. The one I'm using now I like and I don't mind XP. Macs look interesting but they're expensive and if it experiences any problems I wouldn't know what to do, since I haven't accumulated years of experience with them. :/ Then again I get the impression that they don't experience as many problems- that's just my impression, though. (Also their commercials are really annoying. >>)

My opinion... take the downgrade.  if they'd offered a downgrade for our laptop which I'm currently using I'd of jumped on that...  And um... just cause this was being talked about earlier I want to throw in my two cents...

I used IE... because my wife doesn't like firefox, and tends to delete it if I download it.
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Re: I <3 Microsoft
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2008, 12:24:47 PM »
my wife doesn't like firefox

GET A NEW WIFE.
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Re: I <3 Microsoft
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2008, 09:51:09 AM »
GET A NEW WIFE.

No, that would cost too much time and effort.

My advice? Switch the icons around. She'll never know the difference ;)

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Re: I <3 Microsoft
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2008, 11:53:08 AM »
That seems a bit harsh for a program. She can use IE and you can use Firefox. With all it's glorious extensions.
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