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Windows 7: The Movie: The Game: The Story
« on: February 03, 2009, 11:32:32 PM »
So, I'm part of the beta program for Windows 7, the suspiciously quick-in-coming replacement for Windows Vista. I've decided to record my experiences here, so that the problems I run in to can be indexed by Google, to boost my ranking recorded here to help people!

Had I a blog proper, I'd do it like that, but... well, I don't.



Day 1: The Download.

I decided to download the beta for Windows 7 today. I did a quick Google search for windows 7 beta, and found the download page. I had to register into the beta program with my MSN account, but no biggie. As the DVD ISO (2.4 Gigs!) was downloading, the product key arrived in my email.

...

Ok, now the download is done. I'll just fire up the Windows XP ISO burning Powertoy, and- oh, what? It doesn't like DVDs? Well, shit. Ok, I need to find my copy of Nero... That came with my DVD drive... Crap, I don't want to do this today. I need to dig through my CDs... meh, I'll do this tomorrow.



Pros: Quick sign up process
Cons: Stupid third-party burning software...

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Re: Windows 7: The Movie: The Game: The Story
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2009, 12:10:04 AM »
Day 3: The Install



Ok, yesterday I found my Nero CD, and installed it. Today, I worked late, but I decided to press ahead anyway. I burned the ISO (took forever :(), and got ready to start. Oh, wait, I better write down the CD key, since I won't have access to it later. Ok, now I'll boot into the DVD, and begin the install.

...

Hey, that's a pretty nifty boot up screen. Followed soon by some regional settings. Not sure why these are here, but I guess it's good to get it out of the way. And, there's the start page. I've got three options: "Install now", "Repair previous installation" and "Cancel" ("Note: Choosing cancel might cause the computer to restart." Oh, you don't say?). Well, I don't have a previous installation (of Windows 7), so I'll just hit Install. Next is the EULA. Pretty standard stuff, although since this is a Beta, it reads a bit more like an NDA...

So, yeah. I'm planning to install this side-by-side with Windows XP, since I'm pretty sure this is a time-limited demo (maybe not, I dunno). In older versions of Windows (XP, at least. I dunno about Vista), this was accomplished by installing into a separate folder than the existing one. It would then prompt you at boot which to use. The process is a bit different here.

First, it asks you whether you want to Upgrade a previous installation or Install a new one. In earlier versions, this choice was implied by the installation directory. If you tried to install overtop of an existing Windows, then you must want to Upgrade. Otherwise, it was a clean install. This is a fairly workable model, and reasonable too, so I'm not sure why they give us the choice here. I mean, I get to choose the install folder, right? Right?

After you choose your install style, it then asks you to which drive you want to install. I have two partitions, "Windows" and "Data". I bet you can guess which partition is my normal C: drive. So, I'll just click on Windows, and change the path to something like "C:\Windows7". *click*

"There appears to be an existing installation of Windows on this drive. If you continue, the existing installation of Windows will be moved to C:\Windows.old. The files will still be accessible, but you will no longer be able to boot into this version."

OWAT?! Hey, that's not what I want to do! That's why they ask how you want to install: They don't give you the choice of path anymore! *grumble grumble* Well, whatever. Since I want to keep XP for now, I guess I'll install onto my D: drive. (Future Note: This will haunt me later)

Ok, so, now, I answer a series of inane questions about installation opti- oh, no, no I don't. It's started copying files. Ok, that's fine. Sooo... Now I wait.

*plays Pokémon Crystal for 15 minutes*

Ok, so that's done. It rebooted at some point during the install, so now it's running off the Hard Drive. When it boots up again, it asks me to create a login, and to name the PC. I, of course, name myself Mike, and christen my PC "Mikescomp". See, it's creative~!

Next it asks for my password and hint ("it's my password, duh"). After that, it finally asks for the CD key (politely, and optionally), which I dutifully provide. It then asks what security settings I want. "Recommended", "Less" and "None". Well... that's a pretty loaded question. No sane person would choose anything but Recommended. If it turns out to be too restrictive, I'll fine tune it later. Next, it asks about the Time and Date settings (The clock was okay, but it always defaults to GMT-08:00! I'm in GMT-05:00, damnit!). Then, it gets awesome.

Now, for various logistical reasons, my Desktop PC uses Wireless for its networking. I was fully expecting to be without Internetz for a bit while I hunted down a compatible driver. But, my fears were unfounded, as Windows 7 has a good driver built in! I was totally blown away, as XP was a bitch about this card. So, the next step in the installation was to pick which Wireless Network was mine, and to enter the WEP key. Nice, I'm impressed at this point.

The next question was about my "HomeGroup". Now, I don't know if this was part of Vista, but I had no idea what a HomeGroup is. And, actually, still don't. I think it has something to do with file sharing on your network, but since my room mate doesn't run Windows 7 (or Vista (or even XP...)), this was pointless. So, I just picked the default settings, and wrote down the password it generated just in case.

The next question w- oh, wait, that was it. It then proceeded to configure itself and present my new Desktop to me.

Altogether, it was about 30 minutes from start to finish (roughly as long as it took to write this post!).

Pros: Very easy install process, wireless driver built in, quick install!
Cons: Can't choose the install directory, only drive, WTF is a HomeGroup

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Re: Windows 7: The Movie: The Game: The Story
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2009, 11:34:30 AM »
First problem, why didn't you create a partition in your drive 0 to install windows 7 to? 7 happens to be very hardware friendly and likes to play with other drives to install to, but that is not always the case. You could have broken something.

Second, nero? ugh. Use this instead: IMGBurn It works great for burning ISO's, its lightweight, and portable to boot.

How are you liking it so far? I have nothing but good things to say about it currently. Mostly because of the level of user customization available. Even little things like user defined login screens.
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Re: Windows 7: The Movie: The Game: The Story
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2009, 02:22:28 PM »
im liking the sound of this version...

 does deamontools (something like nero) count as third party (obtainable on the internet) cuz i wanna try this now...
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Re: Windows 7: The Movie: The Game: The Story
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2009, 02:40:19 PM »
They have a daemon tools lite that is free, but when you create an iso with it, everything you use it on has a watermark of daemon tools. It's hinky like that.
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Re: Windows 7: The Movie: The Game: The Story
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2009, 06:23:14 PM »
First problem, why didn't you create a partition in your drive 0 to install windows 7 to? 7 happens to be very hardware friendly and likes to play with other drives to install to, but that is not always the case. You could have broken something.

I did create a partition on Drive 0. A long time ago. (See attached pic)

Second, nero? ugh. Use this instead: IMGBurn It works great for burning ISO's, its lightweight, and portable to boot.

Well, why do you think I didn't have it installed? Plus, I never ran into problems with ISO Recorder.

How are you liking it so far? I have nothing but good things to say about it currently. Mostly because of the level of user customization available. Even little things like user defined login screens.

I like it so far, but there was a couple of very annoying things which I will be writing about soon. That said, other than the redone UI, I haven't seen anything really new (compared to Vista, that is).

im liking the sound of this version...

 does deamontools (something like nero) count as third party (obtainable on the internet) cuz i wanna try this now...

They have a daemon tools lite that is free, but when you create an iso with it, everything you use it on has a watermark of daemon tools. It's hinky like that.

Wait, since when can you use D-Tools to burn an ISO? You can mount an iso, but that wouldn't help in installing Windows...
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Re: Windows 7: The Movie: The Game: The Story
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2009, 07:20:20 PM »
ye-yea... i reread it and realized my mistake... my bad, and just for clarification,(because yes i CAN be this dumb sometimes) by burn you mean to a disk correct? (cuz if that is so i think it can use powerISO for that...)
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Re: Windows 7: The Movie: The Game: The Story
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2009, 09:57:13 PM »
Yes, burning usually involves some media of some kind, and the process of encoding your data as tiny variations of opacity on said media.

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Re: Windows 7: The Movie: The Game: The Story
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2009, 11:37:06 PM »
I like it so far, but there was a couple of very annoying things which I will be writing about soon. That said, other than the redone UI, I haven't seen anything really new (compared to Vista, that is).

Wait, since when can you use D-Tools to burn an ISO? You can mount an iso, but that wouldn't help in installing Windows...

The couple of things I noticed was the ability to MOUNT ISO WITHOUT EXTERNAL SOFTWARE! OMG!!!!! It's about damn time Microsoft caught up to the linux community and apple. And the calculator. (sue me, things like that fascinate me.) I swear the thing could figure out your mortgage.

Bah, my bad. I was thinking of Magic ISO.
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Re: Windows 7: The Movie: The Game: The Story
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2009, 11:49:19 PM »
The couple of things I noticed was ... the calculator. (sue me, things like that fascinate me.) I swear the thing could figure out your mortgage.

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Re: Windows 7: The Movie: The Game: The Story
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2009, 11:50:03 PM »
Day 3.5: My first usage



Ok, so, I've installed Windows 7. Everything seems to be going okay so far. To my great surprise, there are no pieces of hardware that are without drivers! Wow, this is surely a first! So, that means I get to skip directly to installing Firefox. Okay, just need to pop into d:\downloads and-

"Path not found"

What? *Opens My Computer* Where's my D drive?! Oh, wait a sec... My D drive is now my C drive, my DVD drive is now my D drive, my External HD is my E drive, and my poor old C drive doesn't have a letter, thus rendering it in accessible to programs. Well, this will not do. *Fires up the Computer Management control panel*

Ok... *rearranges drive letters*

Code: [Select]
Old D drive -> C
Old C drive -> D
DVD drive -> E
External drive -> F
Card reader -> G

Much better. I can't fix it 100% (Windows apparently *has* to live on C, it seems), but it's close enough.

So. Firefox. C:\downloads, ah, there's Firefox.

(at this point, I copy my profile from XP to the new install, so I have all my extensions and settings)

Ok, so, that's done. Now, during all this, Windows has been bugging me (via an icon) that there's no Anti-Virus installed. Fine! *installs avast!* Windows Defender needs to do a scan! Fine! *runs a scan* Windows Updates! Fine! *runs Windows Updates, installing three updates to a month old operating system*

Pant, pant, pant...

Ok, good. That's done. Hey, wait a sec, I've installed all this stuff, but no reboots? Crazy. But, I'm not complaining!

After all this configuring, I just want to play a game. Last time I used Vista, there was this neat little game that involved drawing lines with the mouse to guide coloured balls into their respective holes. I'm sure they kept this addicting game, right? Nope. Not at all. Grumble.

I decided at this point to do some benign modifications. That is, chanigng the desktop theme stuff. I picked a nice desktop wallpaper, and found that I could change the colour of the windows themselves (well, you could do that before. But, now they're translucent, and thus it's awesome!), so I picked a slightly deeper shade of blue. The screen savers aren't that special, and they decided to keep the godawful "3D Text" one, for whatever reason. But, that's ok. I chose the bubble screensaver.

Then, I played around with the Desktop Gadgets. I understand that they were in Vista, but they're new to me. I like the weather gadget

Hmm, one last thing that's bugging me. I can't make the "Safely Remove Hardware" icon go away. Since all my removable devices (specifically, my card reader) are set to not cache (i.e. not requiring me to right click on the icon and choose to remove it), I don't want it. But, the option to get rid of it is gone :(

Oh Well, that's enough for now.

Pros: No driver installs, much less rebooting required, everything looks so nice :)

Cons: Rearraning the drive letters*, lots of annoying security things, got rid of that line drawing game, can't get rid of the Safely Remove Hardware icon
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Re: Windows 7: The Movie: The Game: The Story
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2009, 02:57:15 PM »
The Movie: The Game is just a random extra bit and not an I Wanna Be The Guy ref, isn't it?  I've been trying to spot people who've played that game lately.

Also, Pokemon Crystal.  Hell yeah.

The rest is pretty much tl;dr
I actually read it, and I'm getting the impression it's not much better than any older systems.  Losses of good old functions pisses me off about a hundred times more than lack of good new ones.
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Re: Windows 7: The Movie: The Game: The Story
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2009, 08:03:16 PM »
The Movie: The Game is just a random extra bit and not an I Wanna Be The Guy ref, isn't it?  I've been trying to spot people who've played that game lately.

It is a reference, but not, I haven't played it recently. I just felt like throwing it in there.

The rest is pretty much tl;dr
I actually read it, and I'm getting the impression it's not much better than any older systems.  Losses of good old functions pisses me off about a hundred times more than lack of good new ones.

Well, the only feature I've seen missing so far is the ability to get rid of the Safely Remove Hardware icon, even that can be worked around (by configuring the task bar to hide it)
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Re: Windows 7: The Movie: The Game: The Story
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2009, 04:26:22 PM »
Ohh, bumpity.

So what's been happening with windows 7 since this?

There's a  very good reason not to let you install two windows installs onto the same drive. Windows lives in the system directory (such as C:\windows and C:\WinNT), and also in C:\Program Files.

While you could rename the first one in previous versions of windows, you can't rename the other. There are many install scripts that have :\Progra~1 hardwired. Even if you can rename the drive, you can't rename that.

Microsoft windows is broken by design. Windows 7 seems to be the first that recognizes this and prevents installing multiple OS's to one drive.

That you can't rename the letter of the install drive? Egads, I really though that since XP/NTFS the drive letter assignment was stored on the drive in the meta-data area; the old 95/98 system of inheriting whatever DOS assigned it was gone. Looks like it's still there. Sad.

(So how did I get to this thread? I only read the current comics and the links from there, right?
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Re: Windows 7: The Movie: The Game: The Story
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2009, 12:12:41 PM »
I am also interested in your Windows 7 journey.  Any news?
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